WiiBrew talk:Homebrew releases
I believe Waninkoko's releases should be listed as they are note-worthy releases of homebrew applications. I know there is tension between some of the members of WiiBrew, including some of the staff, and Waninkoko but this does not make his releases any less useful. I do not believe, however, that they should simply be added back without discussion and possibly approval by a sysop. --Hiker13526 23:43, 7 May 2008 (PDT)
- I asked User:bushing what his stance was on Waninkoko's releases appearing on the wiki:
[02:23:23] <Hiker1352> Are links to Waninkoko's [releases] allowed on WiiBrew? And are they allowed to be placed in the Homebrew Releases section that appears on the main page? [02:23:55] <@bushing> Hiker1352: yes, depending on what the software is [02:24:13] <Hiker1352> Thus far, are there currently any bans on any of his releases? [02:25:48] <@bushing> Hiker1352: eh, I dunno. I tend to find it not very useful to outright ban stuff, but I will take down links to e.g. hacked versions of the homebrew channel since they're hacked copies of something I helped write
- In the future, before removing valid releases from the news page, the matter should be discussed on the talk page. I am replacing the news articles as they are now known to be allowed. If someone has good reason for them to not appear in the news then please say so on this talk page. --Hiker13526 00:42, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
- No, this is not a personal issue with him. I believe the clear lack of any kind of testing or quality control on his apps causes a problem in regard at least as far as "main page" worthiness and risk goes. We're all fairly well aware of the fact that his apps are rushed out for credit-grabbing, without any due care and attention given to the risks posed or any real testing whatsoever. It's a technical issue.
- This was removed because I recall someone mentioning on the channel last night that it was possible a "broken" or somehow damaged save (I think the term "half copied" was used) could cause users potentially serious problems when copied back to the Wii.
- I myself am not particularly an expert when it comes to how the save system works in regard to potential dangers posed, but given the known lack of quality control and theoretical risk, along with the lack of information on any risk/disclaimers, it did not seem wise to be seen supporting this app on the front page (by all means in Homebrew Apps with some appropriate notes).
- Better safe than sorry when it comes to users machines, right? Wiibrew is right now all there is in the way of "quality control" for homebrew. If an app is on here, it's only right that it should have been tested and the risks taken into account, and we know he isn't responsible enough in that regard. That is owed to the people who use this site as a measure of basic quality, which a lot of people do. -Stalkid64.
- Thanks for the reply. I still think that even though they may not be as stable as other programs out there they are news-worthy. However, since there is only 1 vote for and 1 against, and their stability has come into question, I think they should be left off the news pending further discussion. --Hiker13526 16:29, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
- I think they should be on the front page. However I think that they should have a warning notice. Really, they are noteworthy. --SquidMan 16:27 8 May 2008 (PST)
- This is ridiculous -- edit wars are not cool. I think the big change that needed to be made was that release entries should point to pages on this Wiki, not directly to external sites. Then, discussion of the merits / safety of individual apps can happen there. The people that have these concerns should go to the (currently empty) talk pages for the links and we can hash this out there. Bushing 16:54, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
- There was no "war" here. I removed them, Hiker13526 returned them, I gave him an explanation and he seemed to agree with the reasoning of it. Oh well. Stalkid64
I have a few proposals for the Homebrew Releases news. I think the news should be moved to Project:Homebrew Releases. Also, rather than creating a separate article for past news items, I think it best to create a subpage. I propose a single archive page per month. For May, it would be Project:Homebrew_Releases/May_2008, and so on. I believe this would make for a better long-term organization method. This method was adapted from Wikipedia's news and picture of the day archive. --Hiker13526 23:43, 7 May 2008 (PDT)
- Sounds good -- make it so! Bushing 17:02, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
- The move is now complete. --Hiker13526 22:40, 9 May 2008 (PDT)