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So I'm assuming I don't quite want to update the System Menu yet? Does it remove custom channels? --[[User:Thegamefreak0134|Thegamefreak0134]] 06:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I updated and custom IOS-es (cIOS) and channels (DVDx and HBC) are still installed and working. [[User:Sanderevers|Sanderevers]] 07:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== Problems ==
=== Updating without permission ===
I wonder... Is Nintendo currently able to update our consoles without notification and permission, or would this new update or a future one add the ability for them to do so? [[User:SMR Kurosan|SMR Kurosan]] 11:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
* They cannot update without permission before, they could only delete crap. '' In addition, we may disable unauthorized or illegal software that has been placed on your Wii Console without notifying you where necessary.'' The revised one just has some words flipped around, which gives them permission to update the Wii without telling us, also. That may have been added by System Menu 3.4. --[[User:FSX|FSX]] 12:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I can't decide if they are giving themselves legal permission to automatically update, or if they have already implemented this functionality into the menu. We'll also need to see how the updates actually work, because if there is still some way to postpone the update, its safe. If it automatically updates without any way to disable it (other than turning internet off on the Wii, which isn't a tasty alternative) then System Menu 3.4 is very dangerous for homebrew indeed.

Of course, the main goal of the team right now is probably to either fix Twilight Hack (again) or find another way into the system through a different game/channel. Still, some way to block the automatic updates (if they are deemed dangerous) is almost necessary at this point. --[[User:Thegamefreak0134|Thegamefreak0134]] 18:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This automatic update business is starting to scare me... Needs to be addressed as a main issue, or else it might kill homebrew, and possible brick systems in the process.

Scary -Twile

:I'm starting to think that this is a legal change and not an addition to the software. Because they have always had the ability to update the content of the Wii automatically without the intervention of the End User (E.G The News Channel). So it is very likely they are most likely going to force everyone who has not updated their Wii to the most recent System Menu to do so. This should be the very top priority. This is a serious threat to homebrews. [[User:Rgoodermote|Rgoodermote]] 20:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It does mean that they have the right to more or less access our system and update or delete, or even change anything. They now have full right to do whatever they want. I recommend not allowing your Wii to connect to the internet until a workaround for this is found. Don't just select 'turn WiiConnect24 off' as it will not affect their ability to update it. Ah well. It IS for copyright and piracy reasons. --[[User:Jedicommando|Jedicommando]] 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

::Don't worry. Just do not update your Wii to 3.4 and they won't be able to auto update your Wii without your permission. You have to agree to the new Terms of Service with the new 3.4 update. If you have not upgraded, you have not had to agree to it. Ergo, they are not allowed to update it without your permission until you have 3.4. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:::I will not risk it. I have unplugged my Wii until a workaround has been created. I am using 3.2U..I refuse to upgrade so I can use Starfall. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font  color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b>&nbsp; 01:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

::::You're being paranoid. Nintendo can't just turn on your system and update it if it's off (red light). Just disable WiiConnect24's standby. Wii gets too hot in standby mode anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd rather be paranoid than without Starfall and DVDx. I love watching movies on my Wii. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font  color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b>&nbsp; 19:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Why the hell would you use the Wii as a DVD player? It's not good for the laser anyway. [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 23:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::The simple answer. Because I can and as for the strength of the laser. Well, it has to be pretty damn strong as it has to do a lot more when playing a video game than when playing a movie. However, my skills are in the world of programming and not hardware. So I will say that last part is a total guess. <b><font style="font-family: Papyrus, sans-serif"><font  color="#9900CC">[[User:Rgoodermote|Rgood]]</font><font color="#CC00CC">[[User_Talk:Rgoodermote|erm]]</font><font color="#FF99FF">[[Special:contributions/Rgoodermote|ote]]</font></font></b>&nbsp; 00:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Where does the Wii check for updates from? I presume blocking the domain in your router would stop the Wii from checking for updates without killing the rest of the network functionality? [[User:Crundy|Crundy]] 11:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

=== Alledged Channel Killing ===
I'm not sure but other than the HBC, I'm fine with Nitty getting rid of other (pirated...cough cough) channels

Would the HBC still be able to be installed (if a new TP save is made)?  I know this update kills the signing bug but doesn't beta9 use some other secret exploit they're saving for BootMii?

It seems that it disables DVDx. Can someone confirm this? --[[User:Jedicommando|Jedicommando]] 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
:The update did not remove HBC, but DVDx does not work. --[[User:Hashime|Hashime]] 00:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::Well originally, Wii Backup Loaders relied on DVDx to run. This was probably when Nitty worked on the update.  It would make sense to delete it.  However, Loaders don't use DVDx anymore so it's just an inconvenience to homebrew owners which sucks.  --[[User:Seandgibbonsy|Twile]] 20:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== Can a new game update your wii console with the newest firmware? ==
Some games need your wii console to get updated in other to play them from the disc channel, is there a possibility Nintendo make you update to a higher firmware or fix some bugs without warning you what that game update does and at the same time unable any type of homebrew?

== Solutions ==
* [[User:CashMan|CashMan]] has released [[Mii Channel Updater]] rev02. But this only updates your Mii Channel.
* [http://www.softchip-mod.com/ SoftChip] has [http://www.softchip-mod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/patchmii-miichannel-ios50.zip released] an implementation of PatchMii to grab the new benefits from the System Menu 3.4 without actually installing the update.  Such as the Mii Channel and IOS50.  It's a small adaptation of [[User:tona|Tona]]'s IOS51/Shop Channel installer which was used to fight the October 23 Update.
** We're working on the disassembly of the new system menu now. Hopefully, we'll be able to bring you all the benefits of a working 3.4 without any automatic updating or breakage of the twilight hack.
***I think I'm gonna wait until then or when another official workaround has been found.
****Sounds good, as long as we get automatic updates out of the way, keeping twilight hack, HBC, and DVDx.

== Improved Disc and SD card reading/writing ==
Has this been verified? If it is indeed true, how noticeable are the changes? I would be curious to hear more about this. [[User:SMR Kurosan|SMR Kurosan]] 12:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it worth updating? Im worried that if I update Nintendo will one day just disable the HBC. --[[User:Graxer|Graxer]] 19:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't be worth updating, I can tell you that much.  I have a feeling that they might've just ripped off SDHC support from homebrew and actually added it to the new IOS50.  I can't back this up since I have no SDHC card and I don't want to install the update.  Anyways, I don't think the DVD/SD reading support would be very improved.

Don't you think Nintendo would have to at least notify the makers of Homebrew before they use Homebrew's code to allow SDHC cards through a system update? That's like plagarism. I doubt they allow SDHC anyhow. --[[User:Cyndaquil|Cyndaquil]] 01:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo is slowly disabling homebrew. Eventually some code will pop of that will be the death of us all. Well...I hope not. --[[User:Jedicommando|Jedicommando]] 23:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible to use Patchmii to install IOS50 and then patch 3.2/3.3 system menu to use it? Then we could see if the improved disc and SD reading can be done without the new system menu. --[[User:Tmusher|Tmusher]] 02:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

== Parental Controls? Really? ==
Okay, so almost every single update mentions parental controls being updated or something similar, but whenever I look at the parental controls I don't see any difference. Does anyone know what specific parental controls were added with this update? I'm beginning to think they just say parental controls to get uninformed parents to update. [[User:Deozaan|Deozaan]] 03:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:It probably adds better checking or something. But I have never seen a graphical change. 05:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
::"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever.  When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing.  --[[User:Pepsiman|Pepsiman]] 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)