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::"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 
::"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" [[User:Xizer|Xizer]] 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever.  When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing.  --[[User:Pepsiman|Pepsiman]] 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever.  When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing.  --[[User:Pepsiman|Pepsiman]] 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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First off, question: I've already got HBC9 and DVDx installed, and I really don't intend to use the WAD installer at any time in the future. Am I safe to update if I don't plan to install anything new? I just got AC:CF and I'd like to use my Shop Channel again, and I'm afraid of using the workarounds since I don't know what the consequences of future Nintendo updates might be (I.E, one of their mandatory-to-play-your-new-game updates) if I've used a workaround "update" to preserve the signing bug. Is it possible that updating in the future from Nintendo would brick the system if I'm using a modified IOS, or are there other consequences that may arise such as another shop channel lockout that actually checks to be absolutely sure you're using an official IOS update?
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Secondly, suggestion: I take it that Nintendo, in order to take countermeasures against homebrew developers (like the update that specifically blocked the Twilight Hack), reads sites like this. I've seen home pages on other types of homebrew sites that simply contain an agreement that by entering the site, the user agrees that they are not an employee of or have affilition with the company that the people on the site are developing homebrew for. For example, it might read something like "Welcome to Wiibrew. By entering the site, you agree that you are not an employee of, or have any affiliation with, Nintendo or its subsidiaries. Click here to enter Wiibrew." Thusly, a Nintendo employee or affiliate, by entering the site, would have breached Wiibrew's ToS and not be able to obtain any information, source codes, etc., concerning homebrew without being held liable for breaching the ToS. If they can't enter the site, they wouldn't know what the homebrew developers were up to and wouldn't be able to reverse engineer any of their software to make these homebrew-blocking updates. I'm not a lawyer, but if keeping information away from the company is important to development, it's something that the homebrew community might want to look into. --[[User:Fatal Gear|Fatal Gear]] 01:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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So I'm assuming I don't quite want to update the System Menu yet? Does it remove custom channels? --Thegamefreak0134 06:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I updated and custom IOS-es (cIOS) and channels (DVDx and HBC) are still installed and working. Sanderevers 07:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Problems

Updating without permission

I wonder... Is Nintendo currently able to update our consoles without notification and permission, or would this new update or a future one add the ability for them to do so? SMR Kurosan 11:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

  • They cannot update without permission before, they could only delete crap. In addition, we may disable unauthorized or illegal software that has been placed on your Wii Console without notifying you where necessary. The revised one just has some words flipped around, which gives them permission to update the Wii without telling us, also. That may have been added by System Menu 3.4. --FSX 12:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I can't decide if they are giving themselves legal permission to automatically update, or if they have already implemented this functionality into the menu. We'll also need to see how the updates actually work, because if there is still some way to postpone the update, its safe. If it automatically updates without any way to disable it (other than turning internet off on the Wii, which isn't a tasty alternative) then System Menu 3.4 is very dangerous for homebrew indeed.

Of course, the main goal of the team right now is probably to either fix Twilight Hack (again) or find another way into the system through a different game/channel. Still, some way to block the automatic updates (if they are deemed dangerous) is almost necessary at this point. --Thegamefreak0134 18:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This automatic update business is starting to scare me... Needs to be addressed as a main issue, or else it might kill homebrew, and possible brick systems in the process.

Scary -Twile

I'm starting to think that this is a legal change and not an addition to the software. Because they have always had the ability to update the content of the Wii automatically without the intervention of the End User (E.G The News Channel). So it is very likely they are most likely going to force everyone who has not updated their Wii to the most recent System Menu to do so. This should be the very top priority. This is a serious threat to homebrews. Rgoodermote 20:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It does mean that they have the right to more or less access our system and update or delete, or even change anything. They now have full right to do whatever they want. I recommend not allowing your Wii to connect to the internet until a workaround for this is found. Don't just select 'turn WiiConnect24 off' as it will not affect their ability to update it. Ah well. It IS for copyright and piracy reasons. --Jedicommando 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. Just do not update your Wii to 3.4 and they won't be able to auto update your Wii without your permission. You have to agree to the new Terms of Service with the new 3.4 update. If you have not upgraded, you have not had to agree to it. Ergo, they are not allowed to update it without your permission until you have 3.4. Xizer 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I will not risk it. I have unplugged my Wii until a workaround has been created. I am using 3.2U..I refuse to upgrade so I can use Starfall. Rgoodermote  01:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
You're being paranoid. Nintendo can't just turn on your system and update it if it's off (red light). Just disable WiiConnect24's standby. Wii gets too hot in standby mode anyway. Xizer 05:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather be paranoid than without Starfall and DVDx. I love watching movies on my Wii. Rgoodermote  19:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Why the hell would you use the Wii as a DVD player? It's not good for the laser anyway. Xizer 23:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
The simple answer. Because I can and as for the strength of the laser. Well, it has to be pretty damn strong as it has to do a lot more when playing a video game than when playing a movie. However, my skills are in the world of programming and not hardware. So I will say that last part is a total guess. Rgoodermote  00:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Where does the Wii check for updates from? I presume blocking the domain in your router would stop the Wii from checking for updates without killing the rest of the network functionality? Crundy 11:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought about that myself a while back (I plugged my Wii in everyone after I took the time to ensure it was 3.4 only now back to what I was saying) and the answer is..no. Pretty much everything goes to the same Nintendo server. So blocking it would just screw everything up and you would have no way of playing some Wii games, using the shop channel, using the news channel..I deleted the weather channel but it can screw that up too. I could be wrong about this..but..from everything I have read here..the website seems to always be the same. Rgoodermote  09:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Alledged Channel Killing

I'm not sure but other than the HBC, I'm fine with Nitty getting rid of other (pirated...cough cough) channels

Would the HBC still be able to be installed (if a new TP save is made)? I know this update kills the signing bug but doesn't beta9 use some other secret exploit they're saving for BootMii?

It seems that it disables DVDx. Can someone confirm this? --Jedicommando 23:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The update did not remove HBC, but DVDx does not work. --Hashime 00:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Well originally, Wii Backup Loaders relied on DVDx to run. This was probably when Nitty worked on the update. It would make sense to delete it. However, Loaders don't use DVDx anymore so it's just an inconvenience to homebrew owners which sucks. --Twile 20:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Can a new game update your wii console to the newest firmware?

Some games need your wii console to get updated in other to play them from the disc channel, is there a possibility Nintendo make you update to a higher firmware or fix some bugs without warning you what that game update does and at the same time unable any type of homebrew?--Bushe777 03:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Animal Crossing: City Folk does this. It won't install it automatically, but the only way to exit the prompt is to turn off your Wii manually.--Nekuda 21:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
No, AC:CF only adds IOS38, it does not update the system to 3.4 but a future game's update could. --Bg4545 22:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Solutions

  • CashMan has released Mii Channel Updater rev02. But this only updates your Mii Channel.
  • SoftChip has released an implementation of PatchMii to grab the new benefits from the System Menu 3.4 without actually installing the update. Such as the Mii Channel and IOS50. It's a small adaptation of Tona's IOS51/Shop Channel installer which was used to fight the October 23 Update.
    • We're working on the disassembly of the new system menu now. Hopefully, we'll be able to bring you all the benefits of a working 3.4 without any automatic updating or breakage of the twilight hack.
      • I think I'm gonna wait until then or when another official workaround has been found.
        • Sounds good, as long as we get automatic updates out of the way, keeping twilight hack, HBC, and DVDx.

Improved Disc and SD card reading/writing

Has this been verified? If it is indeed true, how noticeable are the changes? I would be curious to hear more about this. SMR Kurosan 12:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it worth updating? Im worried that if I update Nintendo will one day just disable the HBC. --Graxer 19:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't be worth updating, I can tell you that much. I have a feeling that they might've just ripped off SDHC support from homebrew and actually added it to the new IOS50. I can't back this up since I have no SDHC card and I don't want to install the update. Anyways, I don't think the DVD/SD reading support would be very improved.

Don't you think Nintendo would have to at least notify the makers of Homebrew before they use Homebrew's code to allow SDHC cards through a system update? That's like plagarism. I doubt they allow SDHC anyhow. --Cyndaquil 01:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo is slowly disabling homebrew. Eventually some code will pop of that will be the death of us all. Well...I hope not. --Jedicommando 23:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Would it be possible to use Patchmii to install IOS50 and then patch 3.2/3.3 system menu to use it? Then we could see if the improved disc and SD reading can be done without the new system menu. --Tmusher 02:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Parental Controls? Really?

Okay, so almost every single update mentions parental controls being updated or something similar, but whenever I look at the parental controls I don't see any difference. Does anyone know what specific parental controls were added with this update? I'm beginning to think they just say parental controls to get uninformed parents to update. Deozaan 03:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

It probably adds better checking or something. But I have never seen a graphical change. 05:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
"Parental Controls" is code for "Homebrew blocking techniques" Xizer 05:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It says that after every update in case this is your first Wii Update ever. When the Wii was first released the parental controls were missing. --Pepsiman 10:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Question/Suggestion

First off, question: I've already got HBC9 and DVDx installed, and I really don't intend to use the WAD installer at any time in the future. Am I safe to update if I don't plan to install anything new? I just got AC:CF and I'd like to use my Shop Channel again, and I'm afraid of using the workarounds since I don't know what the consequences of future Nintendo updates might be (I.E, one of their mandatory-to-play-your-new-game updates) if I've used a workaround "update" to preserve the signing bug. Is it possible that updating in the future from Nintendo would brick the system if I'm using a modified IOS, or are there other consequences that may arise such as another shop channel lockout that actually checks to be absolutely sure you're using an official IOS update?

Secondly, suggestion: I take it that Nintendo, in order to take countermeasures against homebrew developers (like the update that specifically blocked the Twilight Hack), reads sites like this. I've seen home pages on other types of homebrew sites that simply contain an agreement that by entering the site, the user agrees that they are not an employee of or have affilition with the company that the people on the site are developing homebrew for. For example, it might read something like "Welcome to Wiibrew. By entering the site, you agree that you are not an employee of, or have any affiliation with, Nintendo or its subsidiaries. Click here to enter Wiibrew." Thusly, a Nintendo employee or affiliate, by entering the site, would have breached Wiibrew's ToS and not be able to obtain any information, source codes, etc., concerning homebrew without being held liable for breaching the ToS. If they can't enter the site, they wouldn't know what the homebrew developers were up to and wouldn't be able to reverse engineer any of their software to make these homebrew-blocking updates. I'm not a lawyer, but if keeping information away from the company is important to development, it's something that the homebrew community might want to look into. --Fatal Gear 01:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)